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Tomorrow I am travelling from Hampshire to Rochester and will be breaking my journey for several hours in London. My ticket is a 'via London' one and will allow me to travel on the Tube from Waterloo to Kings Cross St Pancras should I decide to travel on the new high speed line, from where I live I appear to be able to use this route on a standard ticket and indeed I have done so in the past. However as I am breaking my journey my initial Tube journey will probably be to Baker Street. Will my ticket allow me to do this? I could probably go to Marylebone instead if it would help to go to a station with a National Rail connection. I obviously expect to have to use my PAYG Oyster for any subsequent tube journeys - but can I at least get one out of it? Mizter T 22.10.10 08:43.

'Phil C' wrote: There have been some mixed musings about whether or not passengers with a ticket that features cross-London transfer validity (marked with the Maltese cross/dagger symbol) are allowed to exit at an intermediate Tube station - the NR website clearly states that this is legit, however others have seemed to suggest that doing so is not actually provided for under the rules / the contract between ATOC and LU. Anyhow all the above won't matter to you, as Baker Street is on the list of Tube stations which can be used for cross-London transfers (presumably simply as a result of being round the corner from Marylebone NR).

Strictly speaking, the cross-London Tube journey is supposed to make some sort of sense with regards to the overall journey one is making, but in practice LU appears perfectly happy to pass a ticket with cross-London transfer validity for a journey between any two stations on the list (well, in central London at least - I wouldn't think it at all sensible to try and use it for a journey to Upminster, Richmond or some other far out station on the list if the trek out to such a station had nothing to do with the overall rail journey). That magic list incidentally can be seen here: Phil C 22.10.10 09:53. On Oct 22, 4:43 pm, 'Mizter T' wrote: >Anyhow all the above won't matter to you, as Baker Street is on the list of >Tube stations which can be used for cross-London transfers (presumably >simply as a result of being round the corner from Marylebone NR).

Strictly >speaking, the cross-London Tube journey is supposed to make some sort of >sense with regards to the overall journey one is making, but in practice LU >appears perfectly happy to pass a ticket with cross-London transfer validity >for a journey between any two stations on the list (well, in central London >at least >That magic list incidentally can be seen here. Thanks, Mizter T. I did find that list shortly after I posted, but I wondered how well they enforced the 'appropriate to the route' bit. I guessed I could certainly get off at Oxford Circus as that's my normal route between Waterloo and KX. Sybil 2007 Download Legendado. As it happens, Baker Street will be no good whatsoever tomorrow as both the Jubilee and Circle lines are out of action. 22.10.10 11:20.

'Mizter T' wrote in message news:i9sbeb$jds$1@news.eternal-september.org. >>'Phil C' wrote: >>>Tomorrow I am travelling from Hampshire to Rochester and will be >>breaking my journey for several hours in London. >>>>My ticket is a 'via London' one and will allow me to travel on the >>Tube from Waterloo to Kings Cross St Pancras should I decide to travel >>on the new high speed line, from where I live I appear to be able to >>use this route on a standard ticket and indeed I have done so in the >>past. Make The Teacher Walk The Plank Game For Children. >>>>However as I am breaking my journey my initial Tube journey will >>probably be to Baker Street. >>>>Will my ticket allow me to do this? I could probably go to Marylebone >>instead if it would help to go to a station with a National Rail >>connection. I obviously expect to have to use my PAYG Oyster for any >>subsequent tube journeys - but can I at least get one out of it?

>>There have been some mixed musings about whether or not passengers with a >ticket that features cross-London transfer validity (marked with the >Maltese cross/dagger symbol) unless you buy it from an SWT machine when it will be printed with a tiny 'IL' instead. A symbol which (it has been said) LT staff don't recognise as valid for cross London transfer if, for some reason, you can't make the gates work tim Phil C 22.10.10 11:28. On Oct 22, 7:20 pm, 'tim.' Wrote: >>There have been some mixed musings about whether or not passengers with a >>ticket that features cross-London transfer validity (marked with the >>Maltese cross/dagger symbol) >>unless you buy it from an SWT machine when it will be printed with a tiny >'IL' instead.

A symbol which (it has been said) LT staff don't recognise as >valid for cross London transfer if, for some reason, you can't make the >gates work >>tim Will it help if I buy it from the ticket office? I'm travelling fairly early (for a Saturday) there shouldn't be much of a queue.

23.10.10 03:28. On Oct 22, 5:53 pm, Phil C wrote: >On Oct 22, 4:43 pm, 'Mizter T' wrote: >>>Anyhow all the above won't matter to you, as Baker Street is on the list >>of >>Tube stations which can be used for cross-London transfers (presumably >>simply as a result of being round the corner from Marylebone NR). >>Strictly >>speaking, the cross-London Tube journey is supposed to make some sort of >>sense with regards to the overall journey one is making, but in practice >>LU >>appears perfectly happy to pass a ticket with cross-London transfer >>validity >>for a journey between any two stations on the list (well, in central >>London >>at least [.] >>That magic list incidentally can be seen here: >>>>Thanks, Mizter T.

I did find that list shortly after I posted, but I >wondered how well they enforced the 'appropriate to the route' bit. I kinda don't think it is enforced as such really, not in central London at least - it'd be rather difficult to enforce anyway (unless cross-London transfer tickets were encoded so that they could only be used between certain stations dependent on the overall rail journey, but attempting to implement such a thing would be so whole spectacularly complex that it just wouldn't be worth it). Anyhow, whatever journey one makes, there's some sort of agreement whereby 'National Rail' aka ATOC compensates LU for these journeys. >I guessed I could certainly get off at Oxford Circus as that's my normal >route between Waterloo and KX. You can of course get off a tube train and change to another line no problem - the issue I was raising was whether one could get off early and then exit the station (the NR website clearly says that's legit, whilst others have questioned whether that advice is correct - but in a sense that debate doesn't matter as in effect the very public statement on the NR website trumps any rules in hidden rulebooks that there may be on this matter!).

>As it happens, Baker Street will be no >good whatsoever tomorrow as both the Jubilee and Circle lines are out >of action. No problem - from Baker Street take the frequent 30 or 205 buses down Marylebone Rd/ Euston Rd to St Pancras (or the 18 to Euston then a short walk). Or if you want to do it by Tube, take the Bakerloo line to Oxford Circus, then Victoria line to KXSP. Paul Scott 25.10.10 03:38. 'Mizter T' wrote in message news:ia38lu$1d0$1@news.eternal-september.org. >>On Oct 22, 5:53 pm, Phil C wrote: >>I guessed I could certainly get off at Oxford Circus as that's my normal >>route between Waterloo and KX. >>You can of course get off a tube train and change to another line no >problem - the issue I was raising was whether one could get off early and >then exit the station (the NR website clearly says that's legit, whilst >others have questioned whether that advice is correct - but in a sense >that debate doesn't matter as in effect the very public statement on the >NR website trumps any rules in hidden rulebooks that there may be on this >matter!).

The practical problem people have reported here and in uk.r is that at places like Oxford circus the gates don't automatically let them out as they aren't programmed to allow it, and the staff aren't up to speed either so they then have an argument at the manual gate.